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#21481 - 05/04/05 09:34 AM
Differentiating between male and female bluegill
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Here's a couple of photos to help forum member in identifying bluegill by sex.  This fish was caught yesterday at my all-male bluegill pond. Note the extremely good body condition due to lack of competition and availability of artificial feed. This fish has a large ear flap or ear tab, black in color and extended posteriorly (tailward). Vivid coloration and burgundy colors on breast. Lots of black tips on scales.
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#21484 - 05/04/05 09:49 AM
Re: Differentiating between male and female bluegill
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But this is a mature, smaller male bluegill that may be acting as a "sneaker" or "cuckholder". The coloration is much more drab, the ear tab isn't as big, but he can't quite hide the slightly longer ear tab.  This fish was verified as a male shortly before I ate him. He is using the muted color and smaller stature to be able to hang around Mr. Big Boy's nest without being attacked. When the female moves in to lay the eggs he sneaks out of the weeds and "provides a little genetic information".
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#21485 - 05/04/05 09:59 AM
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Bruce,
Excellent pictures! Did you verify that the cuckholder is actually a male by the black scales? I see some black scales up high up the side of the fish behind the head.
Not trying to disagree with you but isn't that a little big for a cuckholder? Could it have actually been an immature male or one that just has not gotten into the spawning mode yet? Just asking.
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#21486 - 05/04/05 10:07 AM
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I verified him with the "filet knife" method. Yeah, he could be an immature male that just reached seven inches so fast that he didn't mature yet, or because he's around so many big, dominant males. I think in a typical pond a cuckholder might be more likely to be five to six inches, but in the pond this one was caught at there are tons of really big, robust 8-10 inch males.
I like your observation about the black spots, though. I hadn't noticed it until you brought it up, but there they are!
The pond I caught him in yesterday had other males of similar length that were very vivid in color and seemed ready to spawn.
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#21487 - 05/04/05 10:15 AM
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Bruce,
Makes sense.
Are your pond temps coming up yet? We had a hard frost again this morning and I think we are suppposed to have another one tomorrow morning although daytime highs are going up every day from now on.
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#21488 - 05/04/05 10:22 AM
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I was fishing my pond and a friend's pond yesterday and the water temps were a miserable 49 degrees. We've been in the 20's or 30's for lows for like seven straight days now. I'm trying to arrange a bluegill fishing outing this afternoon.
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#21489 - 05/04/05 10:36 AM
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Great pictures and excellent info! Thanks, Bruce.
I'm trying to decide if I want to print these out and laminate them, so I can put them in my tackle box and reference them over and over at the pond. I definitely want to use this info to help decide whether a BG goes back in the water or into the deep fryer.
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#21490 - 05/04/05 11:21 AM
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What Bruce has done here is fail to put the unit of measure on his plastic board.
Come on now Bruce! Those are centimeters right?
Just kidding.
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#21491 - 05/04/05 08:11 PM
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Sunil, I recognize that board from the horse business. It's marked off in hands. 
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#21493 - 05/04/05 10:04 PM
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Eastland, Yep, Bill's are never as big as he says they are! Take those perch he was watching through the ice.  :p
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#21494 - 05/05/05 08:14 AM
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Right, Theo.
...and horses are a little easier to identify by sex as well, aren't they?
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#21495 - 05/05/05 10:28 AM
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I've never needed pictures with horses, descriptions alone have always been sufficient.
Cattle are even easier.
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#21497 - 05/05/05 01:49 PM
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A friend of mine, Don Gabelhouse, who is Nebraska's fisheries chief has told me that muddy conditions during the spawn do, indeed promote hybridization of lepomis species. BG/RES hybrids do occur sometimes in the wild. I think I actually have one in one of my small ponds. My guess is that they grow pretty big if they have appropriate forage. Both male and female bluegill have more vivid coloration in clear water. Sometimes after a big runoff event, and the subsequent clouding of the water, our bluegill will turn almost silver in color due to turbidity. Also, stragely enough, bluegill that are transported in dark colored containers are brighter on arrival than those transported in white containers. 
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#21498 - 05/05/05 01:52 PM
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Cecil, I checked on cuckholder size and my "source" says that the sneaker males are smaller than cuckholders. A sneaker uses his small size to create opportunity and a cuckholder uses his drab color to do the same.
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#21499 - 05/05/05 07:21 PM
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Hey Bruce!
Due to the Illustrated Condello Method I was able to sex the BG I caught tonight - it matched up quite well with your cuckholder/immature male description and picture (he's now in the freezer awaiting company).
I would probably be posting the picture of this trophy 6 3/4" BG, but my Webmaster is in Washington, D.C. on his 8th grade class trip.
Thanks again for all the info!
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#21500 - 05/06/05 09:08 AM
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You're welcome! Sometime I'd like to get a few more male bluegill photos on to show fish in between that 7 in. cuckholder and the big 8+ inch dominant male.
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#21502 - 05/06/05 10:18 AM
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Your description of the hybrid is EXACTLY what mine looks like. I've also found that RES seem to spawn on the next deeper shelf or tier than the BG. When I'm fishing pits that have both during the spawn I'll catch the male BG in spawning colors at a certain shallow depth and I'll catch the male RES in spawning colors a little deeper.
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#21503 - 06/03/05 11:22 PM
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Bruce, This is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks
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#21505 - 12/22/05 03:08 PM
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Both males are on the bottom, I believe.
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